G: You're allowed to wear sunglasses on a day like this.
AE: I have to wear sunglasses all the time. It's mandatory.
G: I would be disappointed if you weren't wearing them, I must admit. We have a lot of fans of Sisters of Mercy out there because we got rid of the tickets so fast, they just went like hot cakes.
AE: I suppose that's because nobody's been buying them.
G: Some people said they couldn't afford them....
AE: I like the sound of that. I like to know they're expensive.
G: So we've got 5 sets of people in various parts of the country going to the gigs over the next few days which is good news, and they're keen and those who listen to the program will know that I'm keen as well...
AE: It's very lovely of you to say so.
G: I'll try to hide my love of the band, I'll try to be objective but yeah, I've been a huge fan of yours for a long time and it's good to know that there are listeners of yours, it's not just me isolated in my crazy taste. You're playing live again. You've always played live...
AE: Yeah.
G:... though you don't have a record out for a long time, you've always played live...
AE: Yeah... I don't know why.
G: Because people wanna see you, I presume...
AE: *inspires deeply* I don't really know what they want. We know what they want.
G: And what do they want?
AE: They'd probably like us to go away but we're not gonna.
G: They don't! Where are you getting this from?
AE: It's certainly our job to tell 'em what they need and not their job to tell us.
G: But they still turn up hundreds and thousands to see you...
AE: Hundreds and thousands?...
G: Yeah.
AE: Pretty little sprinklings of people.
G: But devoted people, they say... And they love you.
AE: No they are good. We love the bikers the best. Because they're good and rough with it.
G: You still get bikers? That's good. Proper bikers?
AE: Yeah. On proper bikes.
G: That you could use of course as a security, like the Rolling Stones did. (?)
AE: Last time we played at the Albert Hall they almost beat up the head of our record company on our behalf. That was a moment.
[When eldritch reminds of something, he speaks too quickly the bastard!]
G: You would have been really upset about it?
AE: Yeah, I was doing everything to stop them.
G: I've been enjoying your web site, which is the-sisters-of-mercy.com with hyphens between the words...
AE: And without as well. But you can't forget the "the".
G: There you go. "The" Sisters of Mercy. Although some promoters do forget the "the" as you pointed out at one point.
AE: Yeah. One guy in Poland last week tried to forget to pay us. That was interesting.
G: Forget the "the" and the money?
AE: Yes, so we suddenly forgot how to play. It all worked out for best in the end.
G: I've got a feeling, reading the stuff on the website - it's a lot of stuff on there; you must put a lot of time into it - is halfway between good humour and deep deep bitterness. Would that be fair to say?
AE: Yes.
G: *laughs* The Frequently Asked Questions section, for instance. You've taken the time and the grace to actually answer the questions that are always asked of you. Like where did you get the name and all that sort of stuff.
AE: Aren't asked anymore!
G: I know which questions not to ask you...
AE: Bless!
G: "Where did you get that crazy name?" I wouldn't, because I know where you got the crazy name...
AE: The government hands them out.
G: Do they?
AE: Yeah. It's a... Yeah. We were quite lucky. We could have been Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick & Tich.
G: Then people wouldn't ask you because they'd know where you got the name from.
AE: We could have a name like Whigfield, which damns you to eternal uselessness but lots of airplay.
G: Where is Whigfield now?
AE: Probably still on the radio, I don't know.
G: Possibly here. Where do you live now Andrew, btw?
AE: I couldn't tell you that. I'd have to kill you. But I could tell you it's sunny. So that rules out Bradford.
G: The north of England is where the whole thing started, in Leeds.
AE: I still do spend a lot of time in Leeds. On the office floor.
G: Because people always imagine you in South America or... You have lived in Germany for a while as well, haven't you?
AE: Yeah. Not anymore. Notably in Holland recently.
G: I would imagine Whigfield is still big in Holland?
AE: If I listened to radio...
G: You don't listen to the radio...
AE: No.
G: If you had sessions like these one I'm sure you would.
AE: I used to listen to the world service so I could hear "I'm Sorry I haven't a clue" and "Just a minute" but then they put on the web so I don't have to anymore.
G: So you listen to the radio on the internet? Which a lot of our sensible and sophisticated listeners do too.
AE: The comedy stuff is OK on dial-up but music is a bit iffy.
G: So what's the best place to live if you want to listen to music? This won't matter anymore because we are all citizens of the world thanks to the internet, aren't we?
AE: *deep pause* I don't know where the best place...*mumble* I know where the best place to live is for sunshine and strange drinks.
G: People imagine you don't like sunshine but that's not true, is it?
AE: I like sunshine a lot. Not necessarily have to be out in it but I like to see it through the window.
G: I'm gonna play 3 Sisters of Mercy tracks which I have chosen, that you're entitled to comment on and criticise afterwards if you like.
AE: Yeah, I have to get the criticism in first before...*mumble* I'm quite used to criticising.
G: You can criticise Anaconda first. I'm gonna play Anaconda because it's the first Sisters' song that I've bought. It was the third single. Then I came back and bought Alice which came out before. So this is 1983, and it's the production you're not keen on, not the song.
AE: Yeah. The song itself is in our current set at the moment. We'll be playing it tomorrow. But this does sounds like rubbish doesn't it.
G: Well let's see if everything is rubbish. Doctor Avalanche in his first incarnation.
[Anaconda]
AE: It's still rubbish.
G: You don't like the production. But the song is still in the set.
AE: We're gonna play it tomorrow and probably the day after tomorrow. We're playing it a lot fatter and faster than that.
G: So it's just the tinnyness of it, really?
AE: Yeah.
G: But at the time, when you made it, you must have thought it was rather marvellous...
AE: Well we thought it had a certain charm, we thought all our records at the time had a certain charm, and they certainly sounded like us. They were rubbish but they were rubbish in a nice kind of way. I always thought it was preferable than making records that sounded like everything else.
G: But it didn't sound like anything else. Doctor Avalanche, probably the most famous drum machine ever - even more famous than Echo of Echo and the Bunnymen - is still with you but in a different form. He has changed, hasn't he?
AE: Yes, he's like Doctor Who. Up and including the good doctors, of course. We've yet to have Sylvester McCoy on stage, that'd be a really bad idea.
G: *laugh* Playing rhythm, just doing human beat box...
AE: Of course, Eleanor Bron should have been the next Doctor Who; she would have been great.
G: There will be a woman Doctor Who, it will happen. Probably before there's a woman president of the United States. *long pause* Maybe not Eleanor Bron, though...
AE: Maybe not.
G: She's too old now I think, sadly.
AE: Nooooo...
G: You got a thing about Eleanor Bron!
AE: She was great in "Bedazzled". She'd be great in everything. She would have been a great Doctor Who.
G: So, those old days, when you had just a very basic drum machine, that was the first line up of the band... There have been many line ups down the years and you're the constant; you're the nucleus of the band. It couldn't be the Sisters of Mercy without you, could it really?
AE: I did try and fire myself when we're having problems with Warner Brothers... but they we'rent having it.
G: Just so you could walk away?
AE: Errrrr... No, I would have been the one to stay and the rest of the band would have walked away. And I would have said "ok then".
G: We're gonna play Walk Away in a moment. People always thought Walk Away was a kind of coded message to the other members of the band. You were kind of falling out with them by the time the first album came out?...
AE: Yeah, I thought one of them in particular might have found it a bit relevant.
G: You don't need to go into the whole of that. We're going to play another rubbish song.
AE: This one is rubbish too, btw.
G: Great song, rubbishily recorded.
AE: Folks, it gets better, bear with us. Andrew started from the back end.
G: Of course, we have to start by the beginning. We're talking back, in the old days, it was you and Gary Marx and Doctor Avalanche, then it was Craig Adams, then it was Wayne Hussey, then they kind of went away, then it was you and Patricia Morrison, then Tony James was involved as well...
AE: You know this stuff!!! How sad is that?!
G: Tim Bricheno, from All About Eve, he was in there for a while, so loads and loads of members but you say on the website you've had a lot of guitarists but you've not had as many as Frank Sinatra had, which I think is quite poignant.
AE: None of them have ended up under flyovers either....(long pause).....sadly.
G: But people have always thought it was you that was the problem because you've had so many different members in the band, but maybe it was them. Was that what you were suggesting?
AE: Most of them just disappeared because they think "oooooh, hard work" this one isn't it. Andrew makes it look quite easy. So why don't I try and be Andrew, and I go off and do my own Andrew thing.
G: There was a bit of trouble too with the name, wasn't there for a while as well? When the Sisterhood became sort of a hot potato.
AE: Yeah a little local difficulty.
G: To quote Harold MacMillan.
AE: Warners thought they could have two bands on the same label with pretty much the same name. They had to be dissuaded from that course of action.
G: The Sisterhood album which you put out is a great album but every track on it is seven or eight minutes long or I'd play a track of that next. So I'm going to play a track off First and Last and Always...
AE: I'll be back tomorrow.
G: Well, I could have played 3 eight minutes tracks and you wouldn't get to speak and people would be very upset.
AE: Fantastic. I'm learning sign language so I never have to sing again.
G: Are you really?
AE: Yeah.
G: But you know real spoken languages...
AE: Yeah. But I'm not very good at speaking. I don't like it.
G: Can you write very well German, French, these kind of languages?
AE: Yes.
G: What about Chinese?
AE: I've forgotten all the Chinese I learnt to write but that's quite tricky.
G: I imagine it is. I know Clive James learnt Japanese so he could read Japanese poetry.
AE: It's tricky too. Gramattically Japanese is harder, but easier to write.
G: That's what you were doing in Leeds university when you started the band, and the this kind of distracted you slightly...
AE: Yes.
G: ... for the rest of your life.
AE: Sometimes I think I should go back and finish what I started. Not the band I started! The academic stuff I started!
G: Let's play another track that you don't like, Walk Away, from F&L&A.
[Walk Away]
G: That sounds better than Anaconda but it's still not quite there.
AE: Yeah, close but no cigar.
G: You'll enjoy the last track which is from Vision Thing, which I assume you approve production wise.
AE: Yes I think the 2nd and 3rd albums sound very good cause I made 'em. At the time when I've actually learnt something.
G: There are people e-mailing saying "when's the next cd coming out that I can buy?", because it's been a while, Andrew.
AE: We keep offering stuff to record companies; they keep turning it down!
G: That's their fault?
AE: *inspires deeply* It's definitely their fault.
G: Is there a way you could get it out, on the internet or whatever?
AE: Ermmm... No, actually, cause my latest stuff is co-written with Adam. He won't let us release any of that for free. We won't let us use any of that for promo purposes. I'd have to sell that to a major record label or it doesn't come out at all. So at the moment we're recording all the other things and we have actually started putting things on the net. Bits and bobs.
G: [irrelevant] Are you playing in America again? One of our American listeners asked. Got any plans?
AE: No, there are no plans at the moment. But I would imagine this summer we'll be playing Euro festivals again so America would have to wait till the autumn and that's a long way off so I don't know.
G: Well, it's possible.
AE: It is possible, yeah.
G: You played one American tour... Public Enemy were on the bill, supporting gig. Do you like Public Enemy?
AE: Yes, very. It was a good show.
G: But wasn't it Detroit they wouldn't put it on because they thought it was too incendiary to have black and white artists on the same bill, is that right?
AE: Detroit wouldn't give us permission to have any hall in the city limit, so we had to go outside of Detroit for that one.
G: I suppose you can always do that. So you can beat the system?
AE: But then you're only playing to white kids with cars.
G: I saw you in the Lyceum Ballroom in '85, I'm glad I did...
AE: We love playing the Lyceum. It wasn't a bad show there.
G: It was just mainly smoke, dry ice. I couldn't really see you. I knew you were there cause I could hear you...
AE: It's still supposed to be like that but the lighting man on this tour is not quite Smokey the bear, to be honest! *laugh*
G: I thought it was the most exciting thing on the world not to able to see the band so that was fine with me...
AE: The most exciting thing in the world is not to be able to see the audience, let me tell you.
G: *laugh* So what's the audience like now?
AE: Well they cough and splutter a lot obviously./
G: We had an e-mail from Derek Redpath, he said "I'll be the fat ex-goth with the goatee and no hair standing at the back". I'm sure you get a few of those, don't you?
AE: Sounds like our catering man...
G: The "G" word come up. I know it's your least favourite word...
AE: Guardian reader.
[what/who are they talking about?!] ;-)
G: People seem much more comfortable saying they're Guardian reader you ever did, about being called a Guardian reader's band.
AE: *Ha Ha* (Dracula-type laugh)
G: Does it still irk you or have you moved on?
AE: I've now settled for greatest living Englishman.
G: That will do. Or intellectual love god...
AE: ......*both talking at once*....at the end that's not all (????) is it. And just God on it's own, I don't know, that's pushing the point a bit.
G: People always said that you hated music journalists, that you hated the press...
AE: Well, I slept with a couple. They weren't all bad...
G: Which ones were they? Must have been from "Sounds"?
AE: Errrrr... Well, here's a clue: one of them writes for the Observer now.
G: Really? That's very interesting.
AE: And the Times.
G: Ah! I think I know who you're talking about! Well, obviously we won't go into it but that's very interesting! But I thought you were loved by the press in some way...
AE: I was loved in that way. Thank you, yes. I thought you didn't want to know the squishy details.
G: No. But you were loved by some journalists. Some journalists thought you were great.
AE: Yeah. We got a few covers on the Melody Maker. Not so many in Sounds. We were always completely ignored by the NME.
G: But you're still going now, so who cares?
AE: We'll outlast the NME.
G: I'm sure you will. We're going to play Detonation Boulevard which is from Vision Thing and we're saying yes to the production...
AE: This is not rubbish!
G: ... Because you did it! It has been a great pleasure, Andrew. You can go outside now and light your fag.
AE: Oh, thank you!
[Detonation Boulevard]
Interview is taken from:
BBC6 Interview with Andrew Eldritch (transcription)